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did marketing get involved

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the new format is much prettier and a lot less useful.  A typical result of marketing rather than technical approach

erik
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Re: did marketing get involved

 some specifics

1) no big deal, but ebery user I can think of will immediatel click on forum listings in the new 'start screen'

2) a big deal, i the individual subfora you caould rapidly scan for new posts, now you have to search through 'uninteresting' numbers

3) no big deal, but we used to se most fora on one screen, now a lt of scroll is required

erik
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Re: did marketing get involved

Also, the Silicon Labs subforum is totally screwed up

erik
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Re: did marketing get involved

I totally agree. This is not progress, but regression. I tried to read the forum on my small netbook and it was pretty unworkable. And I already had a hard time distinguishing bold subjects from not-bold ones to see which had unread messages, but the new forum seems to have nothing at all. And the icons are all grey as well.

 

If it is your intention to scare off active participants, this is the way to go.

 

Maarten

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Re: did marketing get involved

also,

 

I recalled my previous concern for the people in Farawayistan and did a test on my old XP machine and it is waaaay slower that the previous

erik
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Re: did marketing get involved

My netbook runs on XP and I experience no speed difference.

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Re: did marketing get involved

I also think that the new style is... not good? Bad? Horrible?!?

 

Would have been nice if they asked some forum members if they want to try a 'beta' or something like that, instead I visited the forum link and thought OMG...

The old style was more clear, at least I was able to figure out where new topics have been created (not by looking at the 'new' column, but by bold subforum titles) - seems that 'clear' had to make place for 'app style click orgy'... *sigh*

 

Regards,

 

Scotty

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none of the suggestions posted to make it more useful

I just realized that, in addition to making it "pretty", none of the suggestions posted in this subforum to make it more useful were implemented.

 

this seems to be done by the Gatesian mantra "we know better than you what you want"

erik
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Re: did marketing get involved

Wish this wasn't my first post every on the forum but thanks for the feedback and we will try and address these for sure and be more inclusive moving foward. All very valid points that many of our internal stakholders across teams didn't consider. On the requests from the past I was trying to search through the posts, it would really help if you can point me to the specific things you think will be most valuable so we can work those in.

 

We're putting together a plan to address issues that have come up and I'd like to roll in previous requests where we can and continue to focus. I've already noted what was posted on this thread and we'll setup a quick review of ideas with you and would love to have you be part of the verification process moving forward.

 

Thanks,

Kamran

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Re: did marketing get involved

Please make the "Silicon Labs Community" breadcrumb point to "Silicon Labs Community:Forum" so it goes back to the full list instead of the pretty looking, but useless front page. On the front page it is totally unclear where I have unread messages so the first thing I have to do is click the ">" to get the full list again.

 

On the full list page, I can see the column "New", but I believe it would previously change the subforum name and icon as well. And although it was only bold, which is not clear enough for my taste, it was at least something.

 

On the subforum itself it's even worse. There is no column to scan, but one has to find "1 New" between "2 Replies" and "3 Kudos". And again neither the subject nor the icon give any status feedback.

 

Further, is there a way to hide the chinese subforum from the full list? I really can't read that and thus it is only in the way for me.

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Re: did marketing get involved

the one most important issue is that "I should be interested" (new post, I have participated etc.) should be BLATANTLY OBVIOUS (visible to someone with 20/60 vision at least).

 

also reduce the size of the 'sidebars' they are, basically, worthless

erik
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I hate to say this, but ....

... it would be a lot easier to improve on the old and better layout.

 

BUT if we are stuck with this then

reduce whitespace, you scroll yourself to death

the headers are nice, but do they need to huge?

 

again, since this (at least supposedly) is aimed at technical people make it technically beautiful, rather than appearing beautiful.

 

MEMO TO MARKETING: I have learned a big fat zero from the various sidebar advertising, but following the various threads i have mentally stored many solutions (read SILabs chip purchases) for later when relevant,

erik
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Registered: ‎07-14-2007

Re: I hate to say this, but ....

I agree, use the old style as a base and optimize on that according to the users feedback.

 

Regards,

 

Scotty

 

PS: I hope in the future someone will develop a forum front-end which allows the user to make a fully custom forum layout, so those problem will fade away - IMHO the SiLabs forum layout has been(!) one of the best layouts I saw, but it seems this will not be the case for the future...

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Re: I hate to say this, but ....

I agree with Scotty " the SiLabs forum layout has been(!) one of the best layouts I saw"

erik
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Re: I hate to say this, but ....

the one most important issue is that "I should be interested" (new post, I have participated etc.) should be BLATANTLY OBVIOUS (visible to someone with 20/60 vision at least).

 

I see you have retained the BLATANTLY OBVIOUS marker "more than 10 posts".  Who on earth will be more interested in a thread because there are many posts, either the subject interst you or it does not.  Use that marker

erik
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Re: I hate to say this, but ....

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Thank you for your comments and sorry for getting back to you late due to the Thanksgiving holiday. Our team made some changes based on your feedback and should be able to address other issues soon!

 

  • The white space is reduced now. Please find attached to see the comparison before vs. after. We’re still working on reducing the space between the page numbers (1,2…) and the ‘Latest Post By:’
  • To distinguish unread topics with read ones, we added ‘Unread Topics’ and ‘Unread Posts’ widgets to the bottom of each forum topic page to make it easier to find new forum topics. We’re also working on keeping unread forum titles bold.    
  • Removed all the sidebars on the sub-forum pages

Thanks again for the valuable feedback and let me get to you next week with the latest updates. If you have any further comments on the new design, please feel free to add a comment to this thread or send me a direct message.


Nari | Community Manager | Silicon Labs
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Re: I hate to say this, but ....

 
erik
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Rn out of edit time fighting that the below coiped from your post makes arrows and the cursor refuse to work (normally/correctly).  I do not know if this is Gatesian or related to the forum.  Anyhow as editing (in this case separating, I'll answer in a 'glob'

 

the 'new posts at the end" mkes me believe you own a factory making scrolling wheels Man Wink

highlighting the new posts OR columnizing new./total/... would work, the scroll your heart out is not a good solution.

 

now that the whitespace is removed - great - you can remove/change the abbreviation of the subject

 

 

  • To distinguish unread topics with read ones, we added ‘Unread Topics’ and ‘Unread Posts’ widgets to the bottom of each forum topic page to make it easier to find new forum topics. We’re also working on keeping unread forum titles bold.    
  • Removed all the sidebars on the sub-forum pages
erik
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Re: I hate to say this, but ....

The other items you mentioned like highlighting unread items are in work. They are just a little longer to implement and test and not something we were able to do straight away but definitely not giving up on.

 

Thanks,

Kamran

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Re: I hate to say this, but ....

On a somewhat related topic we're in the active design phase for search on silabs.com and I've requested a couple of volunteers to provide feedback on design alternatives. If you're interested please let me know on this thread: http://community.silabs.com/t5/Feedback-and-Ideas/Need-some-volunteers-to-help-with-search-feedback/...

 

Thanks,
Kamran

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Re: I hate to say this, but ....

As you may have noticed already, we just updated the font weight for unread posts to distinguish unread posts with read posts better. Hope you find this useful!

 

We still have some items to update in the next few weeks but will be posting them on the announcement page (http://community.silabs.com/t5/Announcements/bd-p/Announcements) to share the updates with more users. If you have any further suggestions, please create a new post on the feedback & ideas board so that our team can follow up.

 

Nari


Nari | Community Manager | Silicon Labs
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Re: I hate to say this, but ....

Thanks, nice, but I still have to squint to see it.

 

anyhow squinting is still better than looking for nonzero

 

erik